Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Narine Dovlatyan (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 11:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Narine Dovlatyan

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Notability? Only participant of some concerts and competition. Not significant.--188.115.246.142 (talk) 16:09, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

• Speedy close - Malformed nomination by an IP. "Note that if you are editing under an IP address because you have not yet created a user account, you will not be able to complete the AfD process, as anonymous contributors are currently unable to create new pages (as required by step 2 of "How to list pages for deletion," below). If this is the case, consider creating a user account before listing an article on AfD." Carrite (talk) 16:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
• Note - I merged the nomination from the log at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 February 19. See its history for all contributors and licensing attributions. A malformed or poorly formatted nomination is not a criterion for procedural close or speedy keep. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:08, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Unless... the IP was a sockpuppet of User:Don't Feed the Zords. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
• Procedural Keep - Deletion nominations should be made by registered accounts. Carrite (talk) 05:44, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

That is a misunderstanding, Carrite. IPs may nominate articles for deletion at AfD. They cannot do so directly as they do not have the ability to create the discussion page but registered editors can do this on the IP's behalf as Michaelzeng7 has done here. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:31, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

• KeepComment: Something odd is going on here, back to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Narine_Dovlatyan and Feb 18 edit summary "persistent attempts at deletion; see Ggg editor in history." Seems there's a case for notability here, and a quickdash claim she is not. She won Best New Artist at the Armenian National Music Awards? (source:[1]) I have a friend in Armenia, I'll get his input and share anything I hear.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 22:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

• Am updating my comment to keep, found another source confirming her best new artist win.[2] My Armenian friend (who is not a pop-singer fan kind of guy) said "she is a known entity here" and sent me that link.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 21:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

• The first nomination was made by a banned sock puppet, so it qualified for speedy keep. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 01:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

• Comment The sourcing in the article is weak. The Bravo source is probably OK but the others are a blog and two YouTube videos. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 14:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

A search for her name in the Armenian language "Նարինե Դովլաթյանը" suggests that there are sources available, such as these [3], [4], [5] , [6], [7]. I do not speak Armenian and it is difficult for me to assess these sources but on the basis that it seems sources are available, and to avoid systematic bias, I'll !vote weak keep. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:41, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

So, do you think that these references show significance?--188.115.246.26 (talk) 14:32, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, but where in this source said that she has won a prize? And besides, this ″ceremony″ is not official and ″prizes″ at this ceremony still do not make an artist significant for the encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.115.243.117 (talk) 13:25, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

"Young performer Narine Dovlatyan won the award for Breakthrough Artist of the Year..." --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:42, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

188, its not a great argument to claim sources didn't say she won (when they are *right there*), and then admit she won by claiming the wins are not "official". What is your beef?--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:47, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I want to say that ceremony itself is not significant and the winning in nomination is not an argument of significanse.--188.115.246.26 (talk) 14:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Тhe only argument that you cite is just one victory оr nomination in not very significant ceremony.--188.115.246.26 (talk) 14:38, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment - WP:MUSICBIO states: "A musician or ensemble ... may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria: ... Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award." It is a valid argument to question the significance of the award that this musician won. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 19:19, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

But usually, the national music awards for a particular nation should be considered significant. And it is difficult to assess notability on English Wikipedia due to systematic bias. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 19:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

• Weak keep per above. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 19:22, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

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